Rather, mags from the more similarly sized 6.8 Rem SPC must be used. Thread starter mpk1996; Start date Jan 1, 2018; mpk1996. Is the 22 Nosler comparable to the .22-250 Rem.? The 40-gr. Convenience was also an important consideration in developing the cartridge. FV 416SS, 22 Nosler . Handloading The 22 NoslerShooters looking for more options in 22 Nosler loads than are offered by the company can find handloading recipes at load-data.nosler.com for bullets ranging in weight from 40 to 77 grs., which should fulfill the majority of their needs. The Ruger is a true .50" gun but the M70 is only 1.25" at best, so far. The differences would mount even further if using muzzle velocities from Nosler’s 24" test barrel, which are 3500 f.p.s. Settling on the maximum charge of 33.0 grs. Longer barrels don’t seem to offer much of a velocity benefit. Manson said the key to avoiding chatter is to use an aggressive feed rate to keep the reamer loaded. for 10 consecutive shots, and the 77-gr. Instead, 6.8 mm SPC magazines are employed. Nosler’s Trophy Grade Varmint line has a .22-250 Rem. Nosler’s tagline for the new 22 is “Easy as 1, 2, 3350 FPS.”  The gist is they are moving a 55 grain bullet, such as the one in their Trophy Grade Varmint ammunition, at this speed, which is superior to the .223. What happens when you take the Glock 19 out for more than 500 miles of hiking? The .22 Nosler is a good-looking cartridge, a bit fatter than the traditional .223 Rem. Given the results above, I can only imagine what the 22 Nosler is capable of when finding the perfect primer, projectile and propellant combination. There is one last thing that needs attention. However, this depends on how well the barrel is treated and cleaned. BT load, five consecutive, five-shot groups averaged 1.05" at 100 yds. Measured cases showed minimal stretch. Simply change the barrel or upper receiver to 22 Nosler and you’re good to go (for another option, see the sidebar on p. 52). That’s why there’s hope for the cartridge. I have 22 inch 270's and they are just find. If you don’t’ want to go the AR upper route, there are plenty of full rifle offerings either already on the market or shipping very shortly. ; Trophy Grade Varmint, 3350 f.p.s. Keep in mind that, although the existing gas block of your .223 Rem./5.56x45 mm NATO-chambered AR will work with the 22 Nosler, due to higher gas volume (i.e. So too will competitive shooters. The Mk4 in 22 Nosler is available in three different barrel lengths — 18, 22 and 24-inch — are offered, each with a medium taper profile and made of 416SS. Second, long-for-caliber projectiles, which are typical of those used in High Power Rifle competition, occupy considerable propellant space when seated to a cartridge’s SAAMI-standardized maximum C.O.L. slower than when fired from a 24" barrel). are 1.4", 4.4" and 9.7", respectively. (from a 24" barrel). load in the Trophy Grade Varmint line, but one is available in the Varmageddon series. Please refer to the icons in the caliber list to determine which twist rate can be used in your custom barrel. increased charge weights), Nosler recommends an adjustable gas block. The case lengths of the 22 Nosler and the .223 Rem. on a prairie dog shoot, either. While you can get more rounds in the newest sub-compact double-stack pistols, these older single-stack pistols still have tremendous value for concealed carriers. brass holds 31.0 grs. Keep an eye out for these: Colt Competition, Noveske, Stoner, War Sport, AXTS/Radian, Barrett, NorthTec Defense, Proof Research, Midway/Bear Creek Arsenal, and X-Caliber. slower—but is within 50 f.p.s. At 1.760 inches, the 22 Nosler measures the same length as the .223 but advertises 25 percent more case capacity. Think 26, 28, 30, and 33 Nosler. and 5.56x45 mm NATO ammunition. for 10 consecutive shots, and the 77-gr. “If at first the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it.” Commonly attributed to Albert Einstein, the quote is fitting for the 22 Nosler. Blowup of spec comparisons from SHOT 2017 display. Finally, whereas the 22 Nosler adds 154 ft.-lbs. Simple enough right? Due to its increased girth (when compared to the .223 Rem., which measures 0.378" and 0.354" at the same points, respectively), the 22 Nosler has an appreciably more capacious case. Again, using Nosler’s numbers, from the 18" barrel of a 22 Nosler-chambered AR, at 300, 400 and 500 yds., the 77-gr. (Photo: Kristin Alberts). Reloaders take note: Because the 22 Nosler does not have a parent cartridge, there’s no good way to scrounge or fire-form brass. At first it appears to be frivolous; however, in time you’ll recognize the innovative nature of its design. BTHP CC load had a mean of 0.88". According to company literature, Nosler’s objective in designing the 22 Nosler was to create the “most powerful .22-cal. I experienced severe chatter in the chamber, but was able to correct it using the cleaning patch technique explained on Manson’s website. Cases are currently manufactured only by Nosler. Due to supply and demand, some barrels may take longer than others to receive. Discover how this pistol survives the wear and tear of the trail after a year of heavy use. Of the new Nosler namesakes, the .22 caliber is arguably the most innovative. The company reports that Hodgdon BL-C2 propels 69/70-gr. Maximum case lengths are 2.850 and 2.590 inches respectively. Business end of the 22 Nosler Varmageddon. Standard long-action cases have an average of 45-60 grains of propellant. Due to its increased girth (when compared to the .223 Rem., which measures 0.378" and 0.354" at the same points, respectively), the 22 Nosler has an appreciably more capacious case. The average user will never have to worry about wear or replacement. I’m sure we’ll see any number of worked-up loads that exceed even factory ammunition claims. (from a 24" barrel). If you don’t want to rebarrel your current AR, it’s much easier and cheap enough to pick up a full upper with a bolt group. My reamer is from Dave Manson Precision Reamers (mansonreamers.com), and he cautions that this is a tricky bit of machining because the existing chamber will keep the reamer from being supported by the pilot at the start of the cut. Lastly, I loaded 40- and 77-gr. has a 23-degree shoulder) begins at 1.389", as opposed to the .223 Remington’s 1.438". In the Trophy Grade Varmint line, 22 Nosler cartridges carry the company’s 55-gr. C Broad Arrow Post subject: Re: Barrel Length and Accuracy. This prevents the latter from chambering in a gun designed for the former. When handloading for this article, I used the standard two-die set (No. When seating bullets with a cannelure for a semi-automatic rifle, a roll crimp is recommended. “Everything Old Is New Again…” Examining the 22 Nosler cartridge, our friend Grant Ubl had a case of “deja vu”. Bullet options in this range would fill volumes. Custom Competition bullets. Should there be no cannelure, a taper crimp is suggested. Innovation Or Illusion?“That’s the real deal,” reported an ardent shooter—and .22-250 Rem. As you’ll see shortly, the 22 Nosler is less affected. RCBS and Redding are producing a variety of dies for the cartridge, including two- and three-die sets encompassing everything from “National Match” and “Master Hunter” to “AR-Series Small Base.” That it’s a SAAMI-approved and -standardized cartridge has obviously hastened the development process—a good thing. From a 24" barrel, the 22 Nosler is capable of .22-250 Rem.-like performance—without the headaches associated with the latter. Through full-length sizing, smooth functioning is assured. It’s a gunsmithing project that requires some time on a lathe, but it’s not horribly complicated and will probably be less expensive than either of the other two options. tipped projectile—albeit flat base in design—it attains 3100 f.p.s.—the same velocity, but with a bullet weighing 11 percent less than that of the 22 Nosler load. “That’s the real deal,” reported an ardent shooter—and .22-250 Rem. Let’s see. In fact, if you put a 22- or 24- inch barrel on the same 22 Nosler … BTHP CC had a mean of 2928 f.p.s. 22 Nosler prototype on display at SHOT 2017. 80768) from Redding. Magnum cases are a totally different beast, with 60-80 grains of propellant needing 24-26” to typically burn the full charge. Enter the 22 Nosler chambering, introduced at SHOT 2017 as ammo, brass, uppers, and full rifles. 28 Nosler barrel length for ELR shooting. Moreover, using Nosler ammunition for comparison sake, on nosler.com Trophy Grade Varmint 22 Nosler ammunition sells for $3.05 more per box than .22-250 Rem. Ballistic Tip bullets. Bullet options in this range would fill volumes. Mike Lake is the company's senior manager for engineering, research and development, and he is the guy responsible for the 22 Nosler cartridge. Wind deflection is reduced by 2.2", 4.1" and 6.8" at the same distances. In fact, the big initial push was in offering complete uppers for user’s existing .223 rifles. Manson said the key to avoiding chatter is to use an aggressive feed rate to keep the reamer loaded. projectiles. The same cannot be said about the .22-250 Rem. According to Nosler and early reviews, the 1:8 barrels push 55gr-69gr with incredible speed and terrific accuracy. The new CMMG Mk4 rifle line in 22 Nosler is engineered to deliver on this exciting new caliber’s promise of long-range accuracy and high-energy performance. We’re not sure it’s quite as appealing in a bolt gun, because, well, a 22-250 does things a little better there in terms of ballistics and ammo availability. In other words, the goal was appreciable velocity gains over these stalwarts. My 16 Year Journey with the Sig Sauer P229, Shooting SCCY’s DVG-1 & CPX-2 at F.I.R.E. A second load, also with the same primer and projectile, featured 29.3 grs. I concur. Several range sessions have shown that stellar accuracy and ballistics are attainable with the 22 Nosler. ), and he cautions that this is a tricky bit of machining because the existing chamber will keep the reamer from being supported by the pilot at the start of the cut. The Third Option: Convert Your .223 Rem. I can foresee the 22 Nosler appearing on the firing lines at National Matches in the not-too-distant future. Privacy Policy   •   Contact Us   •   Warnings   •   FAQs   •  © 2021 National Rifle Association of America. When seated to the maximum C.O.L. Doing that means trumping one of the most adored and accepted calibers on the planet — the .223 Rem / 5.56 NATO. holds 27.4 grs. The smallest group recorded with factory ammunition was 0.65". The bottleneck case sports a 30-degree shoulder and a distinctive rebated rim. A longer-than-caliber neck is a byproduct; at 0.245" in length, the 22 Nosler’s neck is 0.042" longer than that of the .223 Rem. bullets with Nosler’s maximum noted charges of H4895 and H380, respectively, to see what the top velocities would be. Top . https://www.nosler.com/22-nosler … With an increase in velocity comes a flatter trajectory and less wind deflection—boons to varmint hunters and competitors alike—all while boosting on-target energy levels. The 22 Nosler was born from the company’s mission to create “the most powerful .22 caliber centerfire cartridge that would reliably function in the AR platform. In addition to efficiency, a consideration for the high-volume shooter, the 22 Nosler’s case design reduces stretching and thus trimming, keeping you in the field and on the range longer. The analogy has been made that the 22 Nosler is to the 5.56/.223 as the 300 win mag is to the .308. The Nosler Corporation has been running gangbusters on new cartridges in the last few years, setting their own field of chamberings from sleek long-rangers to heavy hitting hunters. Guns.com breaks down these two specialty handguns to help you decide which is best suited for you. All the transformation technically requires is a barrel and mag swap, with the 6.8 SPC magazine working perfectly for feeding this new beast. Bullet feeder (if so equipped): 22 Nosler is same as .223/5.56; Priming setup: 22 Nosler is same as .223/5.56; Dies: 22 Nosler specific (can’t use .223/5.56 dies) Case gage: 22 Nosler specific (can’t use .223/5.56 case gage) So if your press is setup for .223/5.56 reloading, you’ll need to do the following to load 22 Nosler: Swap dies With the unguided reamer, care must be taken to avoid chatter. The case, which measures 1.760" in length (the same as the .223 Rem. permits notably higher velocities through handloading and certain factory loads. I concur. This AR-STONER™ AR-15 22 Nosler Heavy Contour Barrel is perfect for hunting and competition. Barrel Length. In the end, it’s easier to call it what it is—a new cartridge. All Rights Reserved, 10 things you need to know about the 22 Nosler. The company wanted converting an AR in .223 Rem./5.56x45 mm NATO to 22 Nosler to be an uncomplicated process. of Hodgdon Varget. Moreover, using Nosler ammunition for comparison sake, on, Trophy Grade Varmint 22 Nosler ammunition sells for $3.05 more per box than .22-250 Rem. Only three factory 22 Nosler loads were available as this was written: Varmageddon 62-gr. In fact, if you put a 22- or 24- inch barrel on the same 22 Nosler rifle, shooters can nearly match the performance of the non-semi-auto-friendly 22-250. Nosler is known for excellence in long range bolt actions, and the natural progression meant we’d see one sooner than later. Clocked up to 3,350 feet-per-second from an 18-inch barrel, the 22 Nosler’s closest comparison is the 22-250. AR To 22 NoslerWhile it’s easy enough to add a new upper to your existing AR, or even replace the barrel, there is a third way to have one chambered for 22 Nosler. Making ComparisonsA degree in engineering physics isn’t needed to realize that, when the 22 Nosler and .223 Rem. First, there’s extra room for propellant, which permits higher velocities. The Million-Dollar Question: Why?Everything has a purpose ... or at least it should. The 22 Nosler is a SAAMI-approved and -standardized cartridge. Available in 100-count boxes, these ready-to-load, premium cases sell for $67 (. Here’s what you need to know about the new round. From the 18", 1:8"-twist barrel, the Match Grade 77-gr. That's with the 100 gr. ). bullet hit 2908 f.p.s. Nosler doesn’t have a comparable .223 Rem. compare to the 22 Nosler? Available in 100-count boxes, these ready-to-load, premium cases sell for $67 (midwayusa.com). In the Varmageddon series, however, 50-count boxes of 62-gr. of water when the same bullet and C.O.L. Mandating that the new cartridge reliably function in the AR-15 made the omnipresent .223 Rem. Total cooling, however, cannot be expected on a prairie dog shoot, either. and 5.56x45 mm NATO in all measures—. Loaded with a 55-gr. I experienced severe chatter in the chamber, but was able to correct it using the cleaning patch technique explained on Manson’s website. MidwayUSA was running great deals on complete uppers under $400 recently. But, the proof is in the pudding, right? Twist rates must correspond to the calibers listed. Siera Pro-Huntes are little better being closer to one inch. and $5.55 more per box than .223 Rem. There is no parent cartridge. How short is the barrel life of a 28 Nosler?? I, of course heeded that advice after first taking a cautious approach. It’s also further evidence that Nosler is a leader, not a follower. With the unguided reamer, care must be taken to avoid chatter. Standard deviations were 22 and 17, respectively. By comparison, the .223 Rem. Like the .223 Rem., maximum average pressure (M.A.P.) Outside of the early 2000s, when Winchester and Remington were embroiled in a frenzied ballistics battle, such a flurry of activity is somewhat unusual—makers of proprietary and wildcat cartridges notwithstanding, of course. (i.e. 28 Nosler Barrel Length I’m looking to build a backcountry rifle in 28 Nosler (between 8.5-10 lbs) with a proof research carbon fiber barrel. We just did a full review of the Noveske Varmaggedon rifle in 22 Nosler (forthcoming), and that will be a tough one to beat if money is no object. Reloading the 22 Nosler is relatively straightforward; however, there are caveats. According to Zach Waterman, Nosler’s public relations manager, case capacity is 36.0 grs. Clocked up to 3,350 feet-per-second from an 18-inch barrel, the 22 Nosler’s closest comparison is the 22-250. Of course, there is the downside that, due to the larger circumference of the 22 Nosler’s case, it cannot be used in .223 Rem./5.56x45 mm NATO magazines. For example, Nosler’s .22-cal., 77-gr. Unlike its brethren—the 26, 28, 30 and 33 Nosler cartridges—which are parented by the antiquated .404 Jeffrey, the 22 Nosler’s case is unique; it’s not derived from the similarly sized 6.8 mm SPC and, thus, brass cannot be created from such. BT load, five consecutive, five-shot groups averaged 1.05" at 100 yds. for whitetail deer and feral hog hunting, will benefit greatly. HPBT Custom Competition (CC) bullet measures 0.980". These cases typically need 23-24” to burn the full charge, but can be very effective in the 20-22” barrel length. Final ThoughtsNosler achieved its goal with the 22 Nosler. Currently, only Nosler sells 22 Nosler ammunition and component brass. The AR-15 can sling rounds out to 500 meters and beyond. I am still looking for more ideas on loads, especially for BTs. ; and Match Grade, 2950 f.p.s. Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:48 pm . Typically, the first three or four rounds clustered startlingly close together, only for the group’s size to increase with the fifth shot. 8) The 7 Rem Mag is way overbore and will deteriorate in velocity at a fairly fast clip, witch also relates to accuracy! BTHP CC bullet, how does the .223 Rem. Just get a 280 Remington or something smaller! Nosler will be marketing several guns in 22 Nosler, including: Varmageddon AR (by Noveske), M48 Liberty, Heritage and Custom. cartridge that would reliably function in the AR platform.” Read “most powerful” as “fastest”—velocity and energy are interrelated. tsx bt: 30289 0.248: 0.394 3.275" 140gr. Nosler’s Trophy Grade Varmint line has a .22-250 Rem. And when handloading (see sidebar), similar numbers can be achieved using several grains less propellant, though the greater case capacity—approximately 43 grs. are standing side-by-side, the former will significantly outperform the latter. We came across SCCY’s new striker-fired DVG-1 pistol at the F.I.R.E. It has a rebated rim, so that the cartridge will fit in the same bolt face as the.223 Remington. Nosler features a 15-inch barrel length for … But, it’s not a .22-250 Rem., and it wasn’t meant to be. Using Nosler data, from an 18" barrel the differences in drop between the two at 300, 400 and 500 yds.
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